Do You Understand The Reverse Mortgage Closing Costs?

Posted on May 24, 2010 by Beth Paterson, CRMP

Signing Reverse Mortgage Application As with a conventional mortgage, there are costs associated with a reverse mortgage. While perceived as high, once understood you’ll see the reverse mortgage costs are comparable to a conventional loan. Most people don’t understand the fees, what they cover or why they have to be paid with a conventional loan either, they just accept them as part of doing a loan.

One difference is that with the HUD insured reverse mortgage, the Home Equity Conversion Mortgage (HECM), HUD regulates the fees and does not allow marked up or “junk fees,” borrowers only pay the actual costs.

To get clear, let’s understand what the Minnesota fees are and what they cover.

Fee	Explanation	Cost/Charge
Origination Fee	Covers the lender’s time and costs associated with originating the loan including: loan officer’s and staff’s salary, administrative costs, business overhead (computers, office space, utilities, health insurance, office supplies, marketing, processing, underwriting, etc.) (Note processing and underwriting fees are generally additional fees on conventional loans but have to be included in the origination fee on FHA reverse mortgages loans.)	HUD sets guidelines for the origination fee: Maximum of 2% of the first $200,000 of the home value or lending limit, 1% on the balance thereafter with a cap of $6,000 or a minimum of $2,500.
FHA Mortgage Insurance Premium	A required charge from FHA because they are insuring the loan. Keeps the interest rate lower, allows more to be borrowed, guarantee funds are available, and covers risk so borrower or heirs are not personally liable.	2% of the property value or mortgage lending limit, whichever is less.
Appraisal	Fee for FHA licensed appraiser to determine the market value of the property. Includes a management fee for an independent company to order the appraisal.	$450 – $500
Repair Administration Fee	All loans with repairs are charged an administration fee for overseeing that the repairs are completed, ordering inspection, processing payments, etc.	1.5% of the repair bid
Credit Report Fee	This is to check if there are any liens or judgements against the property or person that would need to be paid or other contradictory information.	$18 – $20
Flood Certification Fee	For verifying whether flood insurance is required or not.	$15 – $20
Courier Fee	To send pay offs to a current lender if there are any.	Approximately $30 each
Counseling by Third-party HUD approved counselor	A fee may be charged to the borrower for counseling services as long as it does not create a hardship. The counselors must make a determination about the borrowers ability to pay which may include factors such as income and debt obligations – HUD recommends a written procedure for this. Counselors must inform borrowers of the fee structure in advance of services and cannot be turned away, nor the counseling certificate be withheld based on failure to pay. The Counseling fee may become part of the costs at closing.	Up to $125 allowed by HUD
Document Preparation Fee	Charge for preparing the loan documents for closing. A specialized company prepares the loan package.	$100-$125
Escrow, Settlement or Closing Fee	Charged by the title company for handling the title work and closing of the loan.- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – -Sometimes there is an additional signing/notary fee or an additional fee for going to a borrower’s home.	Generally $250 – $350- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – $125-$200 signing/ notary fee
Abstract or Title Search	This charge is for searching the county records.	$150-$185
Title Examination	This is for the examiner to review the title and put the commitment together.	$135-$150
Title Insurance	Title company’s insurance on the property guaranteeing clear ownership and protect lender if there is a defect in the title. Different than owner’s title insurance policy.	Based on property value.
Recording Fees	Fees for recording documents with the county such as mortgage, deeds, county taxes, bankruptcy, name change due to divorce or loss of spouse	$46 each + a $5 conservation fee
County Tax	Mortgage Registration Tax required in Minnesota and collected by the county.	Based on Principal Limit
Survey/Plat Drawing; Name & Assessment Search	Fee for obtaining and reviewing the plat drawing; Fee for searching names and assessments on title	$60; $30; $30 = $120 combined (higher for some counties)
Fees Paid by Lender to Broker such as Yield Spread Premium; Service Release Premium; Lender Paid Broker Compensation	Brokers/originating lenders are paid in two ways, one by you (the origination fee) the other by the lenders. Lenders pay brokers/originating lenders compensation for submitting loans to their company. This compensation also covers the broker’s/originating lender’s time and costs associated with their running their business.It does need to be disclosed on the Good Faith Estimate. Note that federally chartered banks do not have to disclose this information to borrowers even though the same compensation is paid.	This is NOT A BORROWER EXPENSE!To disclose this to you, on the GFE it will be shown as a fee then credited back so it is not actually charged to you.

As the RESPA (Real Estate Settlement and Procedures Act) changes effective January 1, 2010 a Good Faith Estimate (GFE) can ONLY be provided with an actual application. It is no longer allowed for the informational or quote package to include a GFE.

Information (in addition to the name, birthday, property information, current loan details,) that will trigger the application include the Social Security Number, Monthly Income, assets, debts, any other pertinent information. This information should NOT be provided until lender is chosen and ready to proceed with an application. Once lenders have this information they may start processing the loan.

Note that the fees, other than the Appraisal and possibly the counseling fee, are wrapped into the loan so there are no other out of pocket costs.

Being clear and having an understanding of the reverse mortgage costs helps you make better decisions and takes the fear away from the reverse mortgage.

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A Letter to Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty Regarding Reverse Mortgages

Posted on May 17, 2010 by Beth Paterson, CRMP

From the time I first heard about the proposed reverse mortgage legislation in 2009, SF489, I have been writing to and in contact with MN Governor Pawlenty’s office. This year even prior to having details of the bill I started contacting Governor Pawlenty’s office, sending emails regarding the suspected legislation. After Friday evening May 14, 2010 when I finally found the details of the bill SF2430 I again sent Governor Pawlenty a message requesting a veto this time outlining with the details of the issues of the bill. Following is the latest letter I sent to him requesting a veto.

Dear Governor Pawlenty,

After having time to review the reverse mortgage amendment to SF2430/HF2699 I want to provide the reasons why this reverse mortgage legislation should be vetoed.

Besides the facts I have pointed out previously:

This bill has not been transparent – the amendment was just added on the afternoon of May 14, 2010 with no prior knowledge of the details to those of us in the reverse mortgage industry.
This reverse mortgage legislation is controversial. Any reverse mortgage legislation should not happen without a full hearing.
While it appears they pulled the language of suitability, this bill still contains some of the same language as the 2009 SF489/HF528 which was vetoed last year which would mean increased costs to reveres mortgage borrowers and/or cause some lenders to refrain from offering reverse mortgages in Minnesota.

The main issues include:

1. Why should a lender receive a civil penalty an dhave to pay $1,000 for something a counselor does or doesn’t do? Who and how is this going to be overseen?

The language of this is subjective setting up an opportunity for litigation and lenders may decide not to lend in the state if there is a risk of civil penalty for something they have no control over.

Implementing state laws that are different than the HUD requirements will make it more difficult for prospective borrowers to receive counseling.
- Some of the counseling opportunities currently available to our Minnesota borrowers will no longer be an option as some of the counseling agencies may decide that with different regulations they will not provide counseling in the state.
Having the state oversee counseling different than the HUD requirements is likely to be costly for the state in seeing that these regulations are followed by counselors in the state as well as across the country.

2. Adding the language for Lender default and forfeiture may mean lenders will choose not to loan with this requirement and HUD may choose not to insure the loans with these requirements.

3. Seven-day cooling off period; right of rescission will mean the loans will be more expensive for seniors and without the opportunity to waive the provision under certain circumstances such as foreclosure may mean that seniors could lose their home because the reverse mortgage could not be done timely.

It appears they changed the 10-day rescission period language to a seven-day cooling off period but it would have the same negative consequences as the 10-day rescission period.
Language is vague and subjective, i.e. “written commitment to make the reverse mortgage loan. “ What does “written commitment” mean? This makes it more likely for litigation.

4. This law would be additional costs to the state. While the bill may not be showing as a having a budget expenditure, there would be additional costs to the state in overseeing that state laws are followed versus the difference from the federal regulations. If the loan becomes more expensive to seniors and/or lenders choose not to loan in the state more seniors are likely to lose their homes without the reverse mortgage option. Consequently the foreclosures would increase and more housing would be needed for seniors and much of this would be born as state expense.

5. All lenders do not have to abide by the state rules. Federal chartered banks do not have to abide by the state rules because they are federal chartered yet brokers and non-federal chartered banks and lenders would have to follow any state laws. This would be a monopolistic-like advantage for the FDIC banks over other lenders. This obviously does not foster fair competition between all lenders and small business.

6. Seniors can apply for and if they qualify can receive a conventional or home equity loan to refinance without all the regulations that are done with a reverse mortgage. Sometimes they may feel it is easier and less invasive to do so. Unfortunately many who have taken a conventional or home equity loan run into problems making the required monthly payments then inquire about a reverse mortgage. With the lower home values many times these seniors do not qualify for the reverse mortgage and then often face foreclosure and lose their homes. Or they may just use credit cards to finance their retirement expenses then run into problems when they can’t make the payments. There aren’t additional requirements for seniors to qualify for credit cards. And there aren’t additional requirements for seniors to take out a car loan. So why have such tight regulations on reverse mortgages when seniors can make other choices that could be more detrimental to them.

7. Implementing this legislation is insulting to our seniors who have worked hard all of their lives – they are not children, they have lots of experience and knowledge – some that we could and should learn from – so why are we treating them like children? They have the right to be educated on their options then decide what is right for their situation, not have legislators, counselors, or lenders make decisions for them.

Keep in mind that: A reverse mortgage is a mortgage just like any other loan but has special terms for seniors 62 and older. And besides the special terms to benefit them to qualify and improve their life the reverse mortgage borrowers are already highly protected (see attached article)! I would like to educate those making legislative decisions on the facts and terms of reverse mortgages then determine what legislation needs to be implemented for proprietary reverse mortgages.

Again, I ask that you veto the reverse mortgage legislation SF2430/HF2699 to protect Minnesota Seniors and the reverse mortgage businesses.

Thank you,

Beth Paterson
Executive Vice President
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While Governor Pawlenty recognizes the issues as he stated in his 2009 veto letter, the unfortunate fact is that this legislation was not a stand alone bill but is attached to a foreclosure bill and without the line-item-veto authority may be signed into law. If this is the case it will be very unfortunate for Minnesota seniors as well as the reverse mortgage industry.

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Down To The Wire… The MN Reverse Mortgage Amendment Was Sneaked In and Likely To Have Negative Consequences For Seniors And Reverse Mortgage Businesses

Posted on May 14, 2010 by Beth Paterson, CRMP

Not disclosing any of the details before hand, the reverse mortgage amendment was added to bill SF2430/HF2699. Being passed in Congress we now hope to receive a veto from Governor Pawlenty to protect Minnesota Seniors and the reverse mortgage businesses.
I along with others have concerns about the bill:

This bill has not been transparent. While I have been inquiring and searching for information for months, I did not learn the bill number or the details of the bill until the evening of May 14th – just before the May 17th end of the 2010 legislation session.
This reverse mortgage legislation is controversial. Any reverse mortgage legislation should not happen without a full hearing. And without all of us impacted, especially brokers and lenders who are not federal chartered banks having an opportunity to see and address any proposed legislation.
This law would mean increased costs to reverse mortgage borrowers and/or cause some lenders to refrain from offering reverse mortgages in Minnesota. As with the 2009 SF489/HF528 bill which Governor Pawlenty vetoed last year this bill still contains some of the same language and would have the same impact.
Reverse Mortgage Borrowers are highly protected – why confuse the issue with state laws. Currently the only reverse mortgages available in Minnesota are the FHA insured Home Equity Conversion Mortgages or HECMs and these are highly protected and regulated by HUD. Visit my blog, “You Need To Know Reverse Mortgage Borrowers Are Highly Protected!” for details.
There are so many changes on the Federal level it would be a disservice to Minnesota seniors to implement state laws. The state would have to oversee any differences from federal regulations.
This law would be additional costs to the state. While the bill may not be showing as a having a budget expenditure, there would be additional costs to the state in overseeing that state laws are followed versus the difference of the federal regulations. More seniors are likely to lose their homes without the reverse mortgage option. Consequently the foreclosures would increase and more housing would be needed for seniors and much of this would be born as state expense.
All lenders do not have to abide by the state rules. Federal chartered banks do not have to abide by the state rules because they are federal chartered yet brokers and non-federal chartered banks and lenders would have to follow any state laws. As I sated in my blog, “Do You Know The Best Kept Reverse Mortgage Secret in Minnesota?,” this would be amonopolistic-like advantage for the FDIC banks over other lenders. This obviously does not foster fair competition between all lenders and small business.

If Govenor Pawlenty signs the SF2430/HF2699 bill into law there will be negative consequences to our Minnesota seniors as well as reverse mortgage brokers and lenders in Minnesota.

While some are claiming the changes made from the 2009 bill now has widespread support, those of us in the reverse mortgage industry have not had an opportunity to review or address this legislation – we are NOT supporting it. Sneaking this legislation on at the last minute when it has not been transpartnet and is so controversial seems to me does not fit into the democratic consitution of our country or state.

I have asked that Governor Pawlenty veto the bill so we in the industry, who are senior advocates and would be directly impacted by the law chances, have the opportunity to review and address as well as write proposed legislation that will be in favor of protecting seniors as well as the reverse mortgage businesses.

Please join me in requesting Governor Pawlenty veto SF2430/HF2699 by sending him an email at tim.pawlenty@state.mn.us. Use my above outlined issues as reasons for your request for a veto.

Thank you for your assistance in protecting Minnesota seniors as well as revesre mortgage borrowers.

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Do You Know The Best Kept Reverse Mortgage Secret in Minnesota?

Posted on May 7, 2010 by Beth Paterson, CRMP

During the 2009 Minnesota Legislation Session a reverse mortgage bill, SF489/HF528 was introduced and then passed by the Senate and House but eventually vetoed by Governor Tim Pawlenty. During this session I was very involved in addressing my concerns as a reverse mortgage originator, processor and senior advocate, testifying against the bills at every hearing, writing to the Attorney General Lori Swanson, the authors of the bills, Senator Tarryl Clark and Representative Jim Davnie as well as Governor Pawlenty explaining the facts of reverse mortgages and the issues with the bill if signed into law. Actually I was the only person who testified during this legislation that has actually originated and processed reverse mortgages. The others who testified were all lobbyists, attorneys or had little knowledge and no experience with the details or originating reverse mortgages.

Some of the issues of the bill included a 10-day rescission period, originators determining suitability and cross-selling prohibition that those who do a reverse mortgage could not purchase insurance products within the 18 months after the reverse mortgage closing.

Governor Pawlenty’s veto letter stated that it is important that reverse mortgages continue to be offered in Minnesota and the legislation could have unintended consequences causing mortgage bankers to refrain from offering reverse mortgages. He stated the suitability clause was poorly written and would cause litigation. Governor Pawlenty encouraged the authors to rewrite legislation that protects seniors but does not limit the availability of reverse mortgages in Minnesota.

Early during the 2010 legislation session I heard through the grapevine that a FDIC bank was supporting and “pushing” a bill modeled after the California reverse mortgage law into this legislation session. For months now I have been researching to find details about this potential legislation but to little avail. While I was so involved during the 2009 legislation, and as an actual originator trying to educate the bill authors and legislators on reverse mortgages, the process and issues with their bill, I was not contacted by any of them to assist with any new legislation.

Last month the National Reverse Mortgage Lenders Association (NRMLA) stated that a senator was expected to add an amendment on reverse mortgages to a bill that was slated to pass. My research has continued and I have learned that, yes, the author of last year’s Senate bill is working on finding a bill to add the reverse mortgage amendment to but with no confirmation of which bill and/or the verbiage of the anticipated amendment.

I have also learned that a FDIC bank is working on verbiage for the reverse mortgage amendment. Not sure if this would be the same bill or two different bills. For some undetermined reason this legislative act has taken on a shroud of secrecy.

My concern with this process and any amendment that may be added to legislation is that this is a very controversial issue that could impact those of us who are brokers or lenders that are not federal chartered banks. We are not on the same playing field – federal chartered banks do not have to abide by the state rules because they are federal chartered yet brokers and non-federal chartered banks and lenders would have to follow any state laws.

What does this mean? If a 10-day rescission is implemented, the FDIC bank would still be working off the 3-day rescission; yet non-federal chartered banks and lenders would have to operate with the 10-day rescission. The same is true for a suitability clause and for cross-selling. This would be a monopolistic-like advantage over other lenders. This obviously does not foster fair competition between all lenders and small business. Is this the purpose of the FDIC Bank in supporting and pushing through legislation that they don’t even have to follow? Is this for their gain rather than for the seniors?

Additionally this legislation has not been transparent. We have not been able to find out exactly what the legislation entails. From what I have heard there is potential that it could be similar to or even worse than last year’s legislation but this is being kept a secret.

I feel that any reverse mortgage legislation should not happen without a full hearing. And without all of us impacted, especially brokers and lenders who are not federal chartered banks having an opportunity to see and address any proposed legislation. Without disclosing the information and keeping this a secret and not consulting those who it will actually be impacting (i.e. the non-federal chartered bank originators who actually work in the field on a daily basis and with the seniors) it appears legislators are not looking at protecting seniors yet looking out for their own political gain.

When we are trying to help homeowners stay in their home, receive help with their mortgages and/or avoid foreclosure it would be a disservice to seniors to pass Minnesota reverse mortgage legislation at this time. Additionally at this time when there are so many changes on the federal level through HUD affecting reverse mortgages, it will be a disservice to Minnesota seniors to pass state legislation adding to the confusion of the product.

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Basics of Reverse Mortgages – On The Radio

Posted on May 1, 2010 by Beth Paterson, CRMP

This past week I had the pleasure of being a guest on the radio show, “The Unexpected Caregiver” hosted by Kari Berit. We covered the basics of reverse mortgages to clarify the facts and share some stories of Minnesota reverse mortgage borrowers and how they have benefited from a reverse mortgage. Rather than writing this blog post I thought I’d share the link to the show for your listening: The Unexpected Caregiver – The Reverse Mortgage Basics with Beth Paterson – Part 1

Next week I will again be a guest on the radio show when we will cover the myths of reverse mortgages. Be sure to come back and check out this show to learn more about reverse mortgages.

Kari was a great host and deligtful to work with. In addition to Kari hosting the radio show she is an author, speaker and coach. Her book, “The Unexpeccted Caregiver” is full of ideas and resources to use as a caregiver. I love her book and highly recommend it. You can find more information at her website, www.TheUnexpectedCaregiver.com

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Monthly Archives: May 2010

Do You Understand The Reverse Mortgage Closing Costs?

A Letter to Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty Regarding Reverse Mortgages

Down To The Wire… The MN Reverse Mortgage Amendment Was Sneaked In and Likely To Have Negative Consequences For Seniors And Reverse Mortgage Businesses

Do You Know The Best Kept Reverse Mortgage Secret in Minnesota?

Basics of Reverse Mortgages – On The Radio